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Post by MikeR on Nov 14, 2014 15:57:28 GMT -8
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LOL. In 1999, I said the same thing about that stray mark on the CM letter. Mike Kelleher told me to focus on things I could prove. But I did not notice that a long time ago.
Mike
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Post by WelshChappie on Dec 4, 2014 4:48:06 GMT -8
I am going to demonstrate now how it's very easy to read into something and see it as you want to see it or interpret it as such.
Kjell says in his 'Stories of the West' ad for Bank of the West: "I did the things I like to do, if I could make a business out of it, I did and did it very successfully. "
Video can be seen here:
Zodiac said: "I like killing people because it is so much fun."
See, this is how one adds two an two together and come up with Six. :-)
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Post by MikeR on Dec 4, 2014 15:03:46 GMT -8
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The more interesting quotes from KQ regard the fact that he didn't mind taking risks. The hallmark of an entrepreneur and also of someone else we know. He said something to the effect that, "I don't mind taking risks, but they can be deadly."
Mike
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Post by WelshChappie on Dec 7, 2014 12:35:19 GMT -8
Hi- The more interesting quotes from KQ regard the fact that he didn't mind taking risks. The hallmark of an entrepreneur and also of someone else we know. He said something to the effect that, "I don't mind taking risks, but they can be deadly." Mike Yes Mike I believe I posted that quote previously after reading it in an interview he gave to what I believe was a newspaper, probably the Chronicle. I say I believe & probably because I don't recall offhand the exact source where I read it.
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Post by WelshChappie on Dec 7, 2014 14:11:59 GMT -8
I found the quote. It was in a 2004 interview for Automotive News that Kjell said:
"I don't worry about the mistakes I made, I've done more right than wrong. I'm an eternal optimist who doesn't mind taking a chance -- although that can be deadly."
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Post by MikeR on Dec 8, 2014 14:22:38 GMT -8
Found this on a gambling message board called "Betting Talk." Out of the blue this guy goes into a discourse on how KQ is the best suspect, etc. I looked at the previous five pages of the thread and there is no prior reference to the case or to KQ. This guy gets it....
Mike
It really is mind-boggling that so many people have "solved" the Zodiac case. There have been quite a few confessions, but only one of them can be true. You solve murders by studying physical and forensic evidence left at the scene of the crime, not by conjecturing about, "Well, x knew y and he told me this, this, and this, none of which can be corroborated." The Zodiac was intelligent enough to have left a minimal amount of physical evidence behind, but still, advances in CSI type stuff more or less prevent people from doing stuff like this today. IMO, the most persuasive evidence was that of the three eyewitnesses who saw him the night of the Stine killing. Officer Fouke, and the two children (can't remember their names, but they were on the second floor of the house at Washington and Cherry in SF). They each saw Zodiac without a mask on. Now, eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable and has resulted in more false convictions than any other kind of evidence. However, in this case, each of the three witnesses gave a description that aligned perfectly with the other descriptions. The composite drawing was an exact match for Kjell Qvale, and is one of the main reasons I think it's safe to discard the other main suspects (Arthur Leigh Allen, Rick Marshall, etc.) In each of the murders, the killer had an exit strategy mapped out beforehand. Think about how he would have carried out the Stine killing. Would the killer really have 1) driven to a random spot somewhere in SF. 2) taken the bus downtown 3) hailed a taxi and asked the driver to go back towards his car. 4) shoot the cabdriver, walk to his car and driven away? A more logical answer is that the killer lived within a short distance of that scene, or at least, had access to a hiding spot nearby. He wouldn't have counted on going to the Presidio and just losing the cops. This again implicates Qvale because he owned a house less than a block away.
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Post by WelshChappie on Dec 12, 2014 7:36:11 GMT -8
I agree with much you say regarding Qvale and the whole Pelissetti scenario with his 'One man and his dog' story that is forever 'evolving.'
There is just one thing that, when it comes to Kjell, I cannot get past and that is his stature and size. Zodiac was described by Mageau as a big guy with round face. Cecelia, before she passed away, described Zodiac as 'Overweight, bulky looking.' Fouke said the white guy he saw looked 'Medium to Heavy build' and said if he had to classify him into a group he'd say he was of possible Welsh Ancestry.
Eye witness descriptions, it is now known, are highly unreliable by themselves and have been responsible for more wrongful convictions in trials than any other form of evidence. But, here in this case, we have multiple independent witnesses at different scenes who all describe Zodiac as a well built, stocky or thick set man. I think we can all agree that this description is not one that can or would have been attributed to the tall and slim build of Kjell Qvale.
If Kjell was involved, then there was more than one killer because he wasn't the bulky overweight guy of Lake Berryessa, nor the big man with round face & pot belly of Blur Rock Springs.
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Post by MikeR on Dec 12, 2014 8:30:29 GMT -8
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I've certainly never said there might not be more than one person involved. Zodiac hints at it with his G&S references. This dawned on me in July 1999, long before there was DNA and after only considering KQ as a suspect for about two weeks. I think the guy in PH was KQ and that the clues in the letters, like the British and Norse references (of which there are more than just the "sla" letter) point to him, as does his residence in PH, dates of murders, etc.
That having been said, it is possible to doctor yourself up under a costume by wearing a weighty thing underneath to look heavier and more imposing, especially if power and control are your games. Also, ask yourself which eyewitnesses were under the least duress. The Stine eyewitnesses were looking out from the safety of a house and were not victims.
The bottom line is that Richard Walter told me a long time ago that the way you solve a case is to develop a profile and then find someone who fits the profile and who can be tied into the case circumstantially or otherwise. KQ fills those requirements. What happens when you begin to let other things creep in is what happened to Douglas Preston when he and Mario Spezi decided that Antonio Vinci was The Monster of Florence because he was, according to their calculations, the last person in line to have possibly had access to the unusual gun that was used to kill all the victims over 11 years (discounting the 1968 murders as having been committed by The Monster). Apparently, Spezi is in some pretty hot water over in Florence (as per a recent blog by reporter Andrea Vogt) because they named a suspect who was only 14-15 years old at the time of the first sexual murders and did not fit the FBI profile of an older (20's) killer, who may have been impotent. How many impotent 14-15 year-olds do you know? Now Vinci has apparently been cleared and Spezi is facing libel charges against the prosecutor in the case. But they are still apparently going ahead with a major motion picture on their crap.
Mike
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Post by WelshChappie on Dec 17, 2014 6:52:00 GMT -8
"That having been said, it is possible to doctor yourself up under a costume by wearing a weighty thing underneath to look heavier and more imposing, especially if power and control are your games. "
That is something that I myself have considered many times. I even suggested elsewhere that his wearing some sort of padding under his clothing could be responsible for what Don Fouke described as a "Shuffling Lope - Slightly bent forward, head down" in his memo. You also have Zodiac's own claim: " I look like the description passed out only when I do my thing, the rest of the time I look entirle different. I shall not tell you what my descise consists of when I kill."
However, it's easy to wear extra clothing or wear some sort of padding to make your slim build appear stocky, but when it comes to the 'large round face' as described by Mageau & the girls at Berryessa, that isn't something you can change or alter yourself to appear that way. I think the Pacific Heights Zodiac could very well be Kjell Qvale but if it was then there would have to be more than one person involved in this series of homicides. The 'Zodiac's' rather than A Zodiac. The Presidio Heights sketch, along with Don's 'Age 35 to 45' description, does seem to fit Qvale.
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Post by MikeR on Dec 18, 2014 14:49:10 GMT -8
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It is a lot riskier to don a facial disguise to commit a crime because if you are caught, you have some 'splainin to do. But if it is 50 degrees in PH and you have three sweaters on and if you are caught and you tell the cops you can't take the cold weather, who can argue if you look a little bulkier than usual?
Mike
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Post by WelshChappie on Apr 29, 2015 9:12:13 GMT -8
Here's a photo of Shell Ka-Va-lee (Pronounced Kjell Qvale.... :-) This photograph was taken of Kjell in 1964 followed by the Composite of Z. Same facial structure and a clear widows peak hairline to match. Add a pair of black horn rimmed glasses and you have one fairly close resemblance. Attachments:
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Post by Zydeco on Jun 2, 2015 2:58:36 GMT -8
I found the quote. It was in a 2004 interview for Automotive News that Kjell said: " I don't worry about the mistakes I made, I've done more right than wrong. I'm an eternal optimist who doesn't mind taking a chance -- although that can be deadly." And what about the one about knowing when to stop? If you've done wrong, any right you do cannot erase the harm you caused to others. It's a scoundrel's defence.
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Post by Zydeco on Jun 2, 2015 18:55:34 GMT -8
"That having been said, it is possible to doctor yourself up under a costume by wearing a weighty thing underneath to look heavier and more imposing, especially if power and control are your games. "
That is something that I myself have considered many times. I even suggested elsewhere that his wearing some sort of padding under his clothing could be responsible for what Don Fouke described as a "Shuffling Lope - Slightly bent forward, head down" in his memo. You also have Zodiac's own claim: " I look like the description passed out only when I do my thing, the rest of the time I look entirle different. I shall not tell you what my descise consists of when I kill."
However, it's easy to wear extra clothing or wear some sort of padding to make your slim build appear stocky, but when it comes to the 'large round face' as described by Mageau & the girls at Berryessa, that isn't something you can change or alter yourself to appear that way. I think the Pacific Heights Zodiac could very well be Kjell Qvale but if it was then there would have to be more than one person involved in this series of homicides. The 'Zodiac's' rather than A Zodiac. The Presidio Heights sketch, along with Don's 'Age 35 to 45' description, does seem to fit Qvale.
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Post by Zydeco on Jun 2, 2015 18:57:25 GMT -8
Mouth padding. Think Marlon Brando in The Godfather. Although I think that guy was just the scout.
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Post by WelshChappie on Jun 9, 2015 0:11:56 GMT -8
Armond can't make up his mind who he saw, where they were and what they were doing. Pelissetti's public version....
"I turned to the right and saw a man walking his dog. He was somewhat older than the description I had....A whole lot thinner and He had absolutely no blood on his clothes. I asked that Gentleman had he seen anybody walking in the area and he told me 'No."
Private Telephone Conversation admittion by Pelissetti:
"There is a very limited timeframe here. When I got down to the Intersection there was a White Guy in the driveway of a house. He wasn't doing anything, He was just standing there. I called him over and kept this man around for a while."
So Armond admits publicaly he asked a white guy had he seen anyone in the area, and privately admits He called this white guy over. So, based on this and Zodiac's claim of "Cop car pulled up and one of them called me over and asked had I seen anyone acting suspicious or strange in the past 5 to 10 mins' I believe that it was Armond, not Don, who stopped and called Z over and Don is, as he always has stated, being honest and did not stop anyone but simply contiuned past the white guy.
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