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Post by Galaxie500 on Nov 15, 2015 12:02:05 GMT -8
Before I continue, I'd like to apologize for the barrage of (tedious and mostly irrelevant) posts. With that having been said, there's one last thing that I'd like to touch upon - that being the question of Kane's genealogy, or, more specifically, that of his mother. There has recently been some minor contention, here and elsewhere, regarding the minutiae of Kane's family history. Near as I can determine, his mother's family first appears in the 1920 Brooklyn census listed under the somewhat ubiquitous surname of Benjamin. Strangely, while the census record lists Sarah's mother (Frieda / Freeda) as married, the document omits any mention of her father. Along with Sarah and her mother, the document also includes the names of four of her siblings - Michael, Moses, Anna, and Nathan. While Frieda's (as well as her husband's) nationality is given as Russian, Sarah and her siblings are recorded as having been born in New York. It should be noted that "Benjamin" was commonly used as an anglicisation by Jewish immigrants of the period and thus may have been adopted at some point prior to Sarah's birth. The family shows up again in 1940, this time under the name "Brodsky." Her father's name is now listed as "Hyman Brodsky" and her mother as "Frieda Brodsky" - it's plausible, if not altogether likely, that this was the family's original surname. Likewise, her brother, Nathan (who was now working in real estate,) and sister, Anna (employed as a saleswoman at a local department store; soon to be Mrs. Ann Schwartz,) are also listed as "Brodsky." Sarah and Larry's surname is at this time recorded as "Klein." Their residence in Brooklyn (4600 14th Ave.) was an apartment located in a lower-class Jewish neighborhood inhabited primarily by Eastern European immigrants. This is the same address that Kane put down on his 1941 SS application. Sarah's parents were (it should go without saying) non-native English speakers, their primary tongue being Yiddish. Because he grew up in a predominantly Eastern European neighborhood, brought up by non-English speaking family members (his father's "default" language was Hungarian,) it's highly possible that Kane was multilingual. Morris Klein and Sarah Benjamin married in December of 1922 and divorced when Kane was thirteen years old. Sarah was born ca. 1906 and Morris ca. 1900. 1920 census: 1930 census: 1940 census: The Brooklyn Daily Eagle. December 22, 1922: The Brooklyn Daily Eagle. May 29, 1941:
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Post by Galaxie500 on Nov 22, 2015 12:45:19 GMT -8
Posted this elsewhere, but figured it would be relevant here: "He had a habit of maintaining multiple residences simultaneously, often in disparate locations. During his residency in New Orleans, for example, he maintained an address in Manhattan at 400 E. 55th St. under the name Lawrence Kaye (from 1957 - 1960) - this was a mere 2-to-3-minute walk from his previous NYC address located at 400 E 57th St. When he lived in Utica, NY, he was reported to have owned a "swank summer home" on Wellesley Island, NY, near Alexandria Bay...etc." New Orleans 1958 directory: New Orleans 1960 directory: Manhattan 1957 directory: Manhattan 1959 directory: Manhattan 1960 directory:
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Post by Sandy on Nov 22, 2015 13:54:16 GMT -8
Great work Galaxie500 ! I haven't found any death date for Sarah ? Harvey told me she died about 1983 but I can't verify that. I knew that she was living with Larry on McFaul in Lake Tahoe at one time, but still can't find when she died or where ?
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Post by Galaxie500 on Nov 24, 2015 19:47:55 GMT -8
Great work Galaxie500 ! I haven't found any death date for Sarah ? Harvey told me she died about 1983 but I can't verify that. I knew that she was living with Larry on McFaul in Lake Tahoe at one time, but still can't find when she died or where ? Thank you. I'm still researching the matter and am hoping to have some additional material within the coming months. There's a Sarah Benjamin buried in Mt. Hebron cemetery in Flushing, NY - died January 1984. Doubt this was her, although her family did have connections to the area. some additional Kaye/Kane newspaper minutiae - (The Utica Observer Dispatch. January 03, 1951.) Associated Press name cards:
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Post by WelshChappie on Dec 1, 2015 7:05:21 GMT -8
It could just be that Kaye was running from his crimes though from one City and State to another I've always felt this to be the most probable explanation. Even so, one doesn't get the impression that Kane was the type of guy who was satisfied with sitting still while the grass grew under his feet - the aliases, changes in appearance, etc., may have been an extension of that mentality. Recently, while perusing familysearch (an invaluable resource if ever there was one,) I stumbled upon the following listings for "Lawrence Cane" of Zephyr Cove, NV: ^ Of particular interest is the addition of a previously unknown (to me, anyway) address - 310 Portland. That he recorded his D.O.B. in the first document as Nov. 01, 1930 (not true, obviously) is also worth noting. Great Find G! I, like yourself, have never come across Kane using Nov as one of His many claimed Birth Month's under any known alias. Interestingly, I have for a long time assumed/had grounds to believe that Kane's actual true DOB was Apr 26, 1924 because this is what The FBI list as His DOB and also Nevada Memorial Grounds where Kane was laid to rest have him as a WWII Hero and born, Apr 26, 1924. H. Hines states in His report Lawrence NMN Klein. DOB, Apr 29, 1924. Other: Apr 29, 1922.
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Post by WelshChappie on Dec 1, 2015 7:26:58 GMT -8
Kane was Jewish, and as such, changing His name would not be an uncommon thing to do. I discovered recently that it's tradition for A Jew returning to, or entering for the first time, the land of Israel to change His name while doing so. It is a tradition dating right back to the Biblical times of Abraham, who was originally called Abram and His wife Sarah, originally called Sarai. The Jewish person will change name and assume a Hebrew family name upon entering The Holy Land. Zodiac's 'My Name Is' Cipher appears to be written and should be read from right to left of page. In the Western tradition we read and write from left to right of page. Jewish Hebrew is the Eastern opposite and is written and reads right to left.
Zodiac's My Name Is doesn't only appear to read this Eastern way, but when read as such the first three letters are M A N and a symbol that could also be acceptable as the letter Y. So is the cipher hinting at He has many names, as HH said, Kane with a K and Cane with a C!
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Post by Galaxie500 on Jan 31, 2016 15:18:11 GMT -8
Before I continue, I'd like to apologize for the barrage of (tedious and mostly irrelevant) posts. With that having been said, there's one last thing that I'd like to touch upon - that being the question of Kane's genealogy, or, more specifically, that of his mother. There has recently been some minor contention, here and elsewhere, regarding the minutiae of Kane's family history. Near as I can determine, his mother's family first appears in the 1920 Brooklyn census listed under the somewhat ubiquitous surname of Benjamin. Strangely, while the census record lists Sarah's mother (Frieda / Freeda) as married, the document omits any mention of her father. Along with Sarah and her mother, the document also includes the names of four of her siblings - Michael, Moses, Anna, and Nathan. While Frieda's (as well as her husband's) nationality is given as Russian, Sarah and her siblings are recorded as having been born in New York. It should be noted that "Benjamin" was commonly used as an anglicisation by Jewish immigrants of the period and thus may have been adopted at some point prior to Sarah's birth. The family shows up again in 1940, this time under the name "Brodsky." Her father's name is now listed as "Hyman Brodsky" and her mother as "Frieda Brodsky" - it's plausible, if not altogether likely, that this was the family's original surname. Likewise, her brother, Nathan (who was now working in real estate,) and sister, Anna (employed as a saleswoman at a local department store; soon to be Mrs. Ann Schwartz,) are also listed as "Brodsky." Sarah and Larry's surname is at this time recorded as "Klein." Their residence in Brooklyn (4600 14th Ave.) was an apartment located in a lower-class Jewish neighborhood inhabited primarily by Eastern European immigrants. This is the same address that Kane put down on his 1941 SS application. Sarah's parents were (it should go without saying) non-native English speakers, their primary tongue being Yiddish. Because he grew up in a predominantly Eastern European neighborhood, brought up by non-English speaking family members (his father's "default" language was Hungarian,) it's highly possible that Kane was multilingual. Morris Klein and Sarah Benjamin married in December of 1922 and divorced when Kane was thirteen years old. Sarah was born ca. 1906 and Morris ca. 1900. 1920 census: 1930 census: 1940 census: The Brooklyn Daily Eagle. December 22, 1922: The Brooklyn Daily Eagle. May 29, 1941: NYC municipal death index listing for Bertram Klein, Kane's younger brother - Bertram Klein's findagrave page: www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=klein&GSfn=bertram&GSiman=1&GScid=65292&GRid=151825877&
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Post by WelshChappie on Feb 2, 2016 17:54:55 GMT -8
Galaxie you are pewsting way too much and must stop pewsting immediately because I have said so! If I have to call the Moderators then they will moderate and stuff!
As I have said elsewhere Galaxie, we cannot have people running around the internet seemingly posting on websites, threads and/or forums because this is just absolute anarchy! I am the Dear Leader of this Online version of North Korea and freedom of speech is now terrorism, and attempts to use it is a crime! My role model is the Supreme Leader of North Korea, Kim Jong Mentally Il.
If One continues to be a terrorist and Pewsting as if He has freedom to say something without my permission first, I shall place you in front of one of my many firing squads. For I have made it illegal to post without permission because I am a control freak and F****ng lunatic!
Now Flacking listen or else, For I have spwoken!
Your Dear Leader of Online North Korea, Alex Jong Mentally IL.
PS-I am obviously messing and not at all serious Galaxie, I have to add this disclaimer because there are people with no sense of humour that will read the above as my literal belief and reply "What an arrogant prick that guy is" lol.
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Post by WelshChappie on Feb 2, 2016 18:00:21 GMT -8
On a serious note though Galaxie, I knew Kane had siblings or at least a sibling that died because Hines states in His report Kane, Larry that is, was the only surviving offspring of Morris and Sarah. Nice find.
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Post by Galaxie500 on Feb 4, 2016 10:20:14 GMT -8
Galaxie you are pewsting way too much and must stop pewsting immediately because I have said so! If I have to call the Moderators then they will moderate and stuff! As I have said elsewhere Galaxie, we cannot have people running around the internet seemingly posting on websites, threads and/or forums because this is just absolute anarchy! I am the Dear Leader of this Online version of North Korea and freedom of speech is now terrorism, and attempts to use it is a crime! My role model is the Supreme Leader of North Korea, Kim Jong Mentally Il. If One continues to be a terrorist and Pewsting as if He has freedom to say something without my permission first, I shall place you in front of one of my many firing squads. For I have made it illegal to post without permission because I am a control freak and F****ng lunatic! Now Flacking listen or else, For I have spwoken! Your Dear Leader of Online North Korea, Alex Jong Mentally IL. PS-I am obviously messing and not at all serious Galaxie, I have to add this disclaimer because there are people with no sense of humour that will read the above as my literal belief and reply "What an arrogant prick that guy is" lol. For a moment there, you had me worried. I know I'm not alone when I say that I'm glad to see you posting here again. Welcome back!
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Post by WelshChappie on Feb 6, 2016 12:11:38 GMT -8
Appreciate the compliment G, really do. But G you are out-doing me in the Lawrence Kane discoveries arena, you have found so much in terms of news articles, marriage Certificate, deceased sibling and so on that you really are putting me to shame lol.
Just kidding. Just had a thought, an idea that I won't be offended if you refuse. Because you've found so much info on Kaye, even an article referring to Him as Barton, if you fancy creating a site or web-page in a collaborative effort where we can publish both your material and my own, let me know because that is something I would be interested in. Alex.
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Post by WelshChappie on Feb 6, 2016 12:14:54 GMT -8
I have spoken to Destry recently and He tells me He has found a bunch of His late Fathers notes He accumulated regarding Kane and The Zodiac and promises me that upon completion of His uploading them, He is going to forward them to me. I'm happy to share these with yourself also and some will, no doubt, be new and previosuly unknown info
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Post by Galaxie500 on Feb 6, 2016 19:50:45 GMT -8
... Just kidding. Just had a thought, an idea that I won't be offended if you refuse. Because you've found so much info on Kaye, even an article referring to Him as Barton, if you fancy creating a site or web-page in a collaborative effort where we can publish both your material and my own, let me know because that is something I would be interested in. Alex. It depends on what you have in mind - I'm not terribly adept as a writer (which is why I tend to keep my responses as brief as possible), nor are my organizational abilities such that they would be of any great benefit to such an undertaking. You are, however, welcome to use any research material that I turn up - be it past, present, or future - as you see fit. "I have spoken to Destry recently and He tells me He has found a bunch of His late Fathers notes He accumulated regarding Kane and The Zodiac and promises me that upon completion of His uploading them, He is going to forward them to me. I'm happy to share these with yourself also and some will, no doubt, be new and previosuly unknown info " That would be terrific. Thank you!
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Post by WelshChappie on Feb 20, 2016 20:03:09 GMT -8
Hey G, Destry sent me a message earlier saying:
"Hey Alex, Finished scanning and uploading all the documents my Father compiled. I will be emailing them over to you very soon."
When I get them from Him, I shall let you know
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Post by Galaxie500 on Feb 23, 2016 12:56:25 GMT -8
Hey G, Destry sent me a message earlier saying: " Hey Alex, Finished scanning and uploading all the documents my Father compiled. I will be emailing them over to you very soon." When I get them from Him, I shall let you know I really do appreciate it, Welsh. With any luck, I should have something new to share within the next month or so...fingers crossed.
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